Oh yeah, a figure of that guy would be cool.

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They call him Fedora in my ultimate Indy book. The other guys have names too, but at least on of them is borderline racist .

Besides, Unless something new happens and that guy's name is retconned (which I don't think it will be), he's gonna be Abner in my Indyverse from ow on. He's the perfect character to fit the name and history.

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In the Indy Lego game he is listed as Fedora as well in the Young Indiana Jones Bonus Game.

By the way heres a pic of the guy who played him in the movie

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And start hunting again, there have been reports of the Last Crusade figures showing up in numerous states.

Yes these are out, found one set today at a Wal-Mart in Fayetville, Ar. I picked up all but young Indy and Indy w/German Machine gun. Young Indy is not bad, he is in the boyscout uni and has the cross in his belt. A good headsculpt that captures River Phoenix well. Indy w/German Machine gun is just that. Though Indy does have a new chest, he has a tie on.

Paint aps on all the figures are great! No goofy eyes, or off center details.

The others are great, I want at least 3 more Grail Knights. That is a great figure, though the soft plastic sword is the only down side. Henry Jones is a great Conner likeness and the glasses and hat are good and removable!!! Colonel Vogel is also good. Great uni and face. I can see him getting repainted for many a Cobra or Black Major customs. And last but not least Elsa, I would not mind 2 more of her. Her head is great and the body is great too! Will try and get some pictures up in the morning.

Michael
Bulletman Big B
All Hail DOB!!

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Does anyone know if the cross in Young Indy's belt is removable?

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Looks like I'm going hunting at lunch time...

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First of all: PICS!!!!!!

We must have Pics!!!

Or Links!!!!

I must know what to look for.

Second: I can't see using Fedora for Abner Ravenwood.

The novelization of Raiders has Marion stating Abner died in a avalanche on some mountain.

The novelization of LC has the Fedora guy being blown up off the coast of Portugal when Indy recovers the Cross of Coronado. The ship breaks in two and sinks, Indy finds a lifesaver with the ship's name on it AND the half-destroyed fedora hat. I think Fedora himself got blown up or went down with the ship.

The DK Ultimate guide has a time line on pages 14-15. It says, "March 30, 1936 Last known journal entry by Abner Ravenwood, presumably buried by an avalanche in the Himalayass."

Then it lists the actions depicted in Raiders.

In March of 1938, the DK book states, "On a ship off the coast of Poprtugal, Indy finally retrieves the Cross of Coronado."

I insist that Fedora IS not Abner, nor was he intended to be Abner Ravenwood. The timeline doesn't add up, and Indy RESPECTED Abner Ravenwood, and was DEVASTATED to learn Abner was dead.

Fedora is nothing more of a visual reminder that some people want to plunder the lost riches of ancient civilizations for profit. Fedora is a graverobber.

By Indy going to such lengths to recover the Cross, he is saving it from those that attempt to profit. That first meeting as a kid was to help form Young Indy's character and forge his beliefs of these relics are for the benefit of mankind, rather than making profits on them.

Fedora is the Anti-Indy, like Belloq. Opposites sides of the coin. Indy saw what Fedora was doing and didn't believe it was right. That's why there was the whole opening of the movie. If Abner was a respected professional in his field, why is he hanging around with the other three graverobbers? Doesn't make sense that way.

I can not see Fedora as Abner. Abner was a respected archeologist and mentor to Indy. Fedora is just a simple graverobber with an interesting taste in clothes.

I haven't watched the movies in a while, but I think the dialogue and ideas matches what is in the DK book and the novelizations.



BTW-I went to see KOTCS last night. As much as I like the Russian Soldier action figures (with their caps they can easily fit in with current Oktober Guard figures), I hope we will be getting a more accurate movie version. They had poofier hats instead.

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I never thought of Abner being the "fedora" guy but I like the idea. Lastly I think Dark Jedi that you are confusing the white "fedora" floating in the water with the guy who gave Indy his fedora to wear.

The guy who wore the white fedora is the guy who hired abner/nameless/pre-indy guy. The name "fedora" may in fact represent him in the credits and not abner/nameless/pre-indy guy. So if that is the case then it's completely possible that is Abner and although, like I said, I like the idea I don't think that abner/nameless/pre-indy guy was intended to be Abner.

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No it is not, it is molded as part of the belt. Pics are going up now.

Michael
Bulletman Big B
All Hail DOB!

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Here are the pics I took. Sorry for them being a little blurry, the macro setting was switched off. If anyone wants better shots let me know.

Dr. Jones:
His umbrella is removable from the suitcase. His relic is the "true" Grail cup.



Elsa:
Her relic is the "false" Grail. She also comes with a Luger and a scaled "false" Grail.



Grail Knight:
His relic is "Sir Richard's Sheild". He also comes with a scaled "true" Grail. The bad part of him is no articulation in the ankles and it gives him a pre posed stand even though he has ball articulated knees.




Colonel Vogel:
His relic is the ax of Leif Erikson. He also has a Luger that fits his holster well and a baton. The bad on him is his wrist are not cut to swivel.




Michael

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Wow! These figures are awesome!

Spectre is gonna be having some extra relic stickers when I find these.

-Henry Sr: The hat and glasses are removable. I would definitely get an extra to head swap onto a German Soldier/Russian Soldier/Colonel D.

-Ilsa: Definite custom possibilities.

-Grail Knight: Anybody besides me getting a weird Ricardo Monteban/Mr. Roark vibe from him?

-Colonel Vogel: Seems like these would be perfect for some Imperial Security Bureau customs (looks at Spectre)

Thumbs up for these!

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The DK book says Young Indy (River Phoenix) runs into Fedora and the others in September of 1912 in Utah.

January 1920 has Indy and Oxley (mentioned as being in Chicago in KOTCS) study under Abner Ravenwood and meets Marion for the first time.

(the Raiders novelization seems to infer that Indy and Abner got along very well and Abner thought very highly of Indy. also they knew each other for a long time, like Abner was a respected mentor to Indy)

Spring 1925 Indy and Marion become romantically involved.

Autumn 1925 they part ways.

March 1936 Last journal entry of Abner.

April 1936 Raiders events

March 1938 Indy recovers the Cross off the coast of Portugal.

So, if Indy didn't like what 'Abner' was doing with the Cross in 1912, why would he study under 'Abner' in 1920?

Why would he date the daughter of someone he despised?

Why would he let 'Abner' be a mentort to him?

If it 'was' Abner on the ship off Portugal, why didn't Indy call him Abner and talk to him about Marion? Why didn't they talk about Indy being his student? Or why 'Abner' didn't find Marion again to let her know he didn't die in that avalanche/faked his death?


There is just no way that the Fedora character from 1912 and 1938 is Abner Ravenwood.

Just no way. It would be a cool theory, but the facts don't fit.

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Insist all you care DJ, but you're preaching to a customizing site, filled with people who feel "canon be damned", when wanting to creating just about anything.

So he's not Abner for you. But it appears it does make good sense for some of us. Especially that a young Indy would pattern his adventuring self after him, and not his tweeds and umbrella father.

If everyone held to artistic canon, this site would be wholly boring.

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Seems like a pretty awesome and very Indy-style revenge method to me. "It belongs in a museum! Guess what belongs in your daughter?"

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