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Was Old Snake in TF actually the MUTATED Cobra Commander?
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Author:  DanOfTheDead [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:59 pm ]
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Finally saw the Season 3 Transformers episode with Old Snake / Cobra Commander. It's a pretty campy episode, but I have to admit it was fun seeing Cobra Commander survive into Transformer's "future." All of this is old news, obviously... but in all the times I've seen him mentioned, I haven't heard his gloves/hands brought up. I thought it was just a coloring error at first, but he's clearly wearing at least one fingerless glove, and the fingers shown are the gold color of his snake mutation from G.I. Joe The Movie. They show up more than once, though I think sometimes the gloves appear to be fully fingered. When they aren't though, it really looked like they weren't meant to be fully human hands underneath.

Anyone else notice, or am I just imagining it. :) The time line seems to work out, I think season 3 came out after GI Joe the movie.
Author:  Sean_C [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:34 pm ]
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I heard once they were Serpentor's gloves, but I don't quite see that.
Author:  The Spectre [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:40 pm ]
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I'm pretty sure he was wearing Serpentor's gloves in that episode, although I haven't seen it in many years.
Author:  piratedude [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:39 pm ]
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I think it was, but why would he be there for? Megatron's pet.
Author:  DanOfTheDead [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:11 am ]
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The Spectre wrote:
I'm pretty sure he was wearing Serpentor's gloves in that episode, although I haven't seen it in many years.


Interesting, will have to look closer. That's kinda of a cool idea too. I've played with the idea of doing a custom of Cobra Commander in a blue/black version of Serpentor's armor, with the silver faceplate inside the snake mask, but I'm just not convinced "my" Cobra Commander would wear any of Serpentor's old clothes. I do like the idea of it being a trophy, and I REALLY love the idea that Cartoon Old Snake got the better of Serpentor some how.
Author:  DanOfTheDead [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:34 am ]
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Okay, I grabbed some screens from the episode.

It's NOT serpentor's gauntlet/glove, though it does look like it in some far shots, especially because the skin color is a similar yellow gold to Serpentor's costume (and CC's mutated form).

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But he absolutely has a scaled hand in this one shot:

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I knew I wasn't crazy and I saw something that made me think movie/mutated Cobra Commander.

But in the next shot, it looks pretty normal except for the color.

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But then there's this a few seconds later:

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Now his hand looks more slender and clawed.

SOMETHING was up with hands in this incarnation/episode, and I can't think of what else it would be other than a reference to the (I believe) then recent G.I. Joe movie. But I don't think it's just an error/coloring issue (everyone else has a much more natural skin color in the episode). Also, the Transformer's human clothes are incredibly ridiculous. They look like long lost Mario Brothers.
Author:  Greyryder [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:56 am ]
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DanOfTheDead wrote:
Also, the Transformer's human clothes are incredibly ridiculous. They look like long lost Mario Brothers.


Ah yes, the clothes that they were shown to pull on, before they realized they were humans.

I miss 80s cartoons. :lol:
Author:  Jay [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:44 am ]
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Yeah, those hands were an oddity, especially seeing how this episode not only predates the DIC series where Cobra Commander is restored.... it even predates GI Joe: The Movie, having aired in the fall of 1986.


As for the varying appearance of the hands.... blame it on the penny-pinching cheapass South Korean animation studio that animated this episode (along with far too many episodes of Season 3) instead of Toei.
Author:  AdrienVeidt [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:24 am ]
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Y'know, that coat looks an awful lot like something Destro might wear. I wonder if they were implying CC got the better of Destro, too.
Author:  drbindy [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:35 pm ]
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I'm going to say - cool theory - yet, I'll wager is an animation issue also. Wouldn't be shocking to learn that an animator for TF might have had difficulty pulling off natural looking human hands.
Author:  ThomasArmada23 [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:55 pm ]
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Jay wrote:
Yeah, those hands were an oddity, especially seeing how this episode not only predates the DIC series where Cobra Commander is restored.... it even predates GI Joe: The Movie, having aired in the fall of 1986.


As for the varying appearance of the hands.... blame it on the penny-pinching cheapass South Korean animation studio that animated this episode (along with far too many episodes of Season 3) instead of Toei.


The air date definitely far precedes the release of G.I. Joe: The Movie. However, like Transformers: The Movie, the Joe movie was probably in development for a long time, and that plot point may have been decided upon by the time this episode was written, so it's not impossible that this was an intentional connection. Nonetheless, it's also just as likely to be an animation error as you've stated.

Regardless, that's a nice find by DanOfTheDead!
Author:  Matthew [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:58 pm ]
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This is a great thread.
Author:  turner [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:23 pm ]
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That one shot lends heavy weight to the mutated cc view.
Author:  DanOfTheDead [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:49 pm ]
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bithomas wrote:
Jay wrote:
Yeah, those hands were an oddity, especially seeing how this episode not only predates the DIC series where Cobra Commander is restored.... it even predates GI Joe: The Movie, having aired in the fall of 1986.


As for the varying appearance of the hands.... blame it on the penny-pinching cheapass South Korean animation studio that animated this episode (along with far too many episodes of Season 3) instead of Toei.


The air date definitely far precedes the release of G.I. Joe: The Movie. However, like Transformers: The Movie, the Joe movie was probably in development for a long time, and that plot point may have been decided upon by the time this episode was written, so it's not impossible that this was an intentional connection. Nonetheless, it's also just as likely to be an animation error as you've stated.

Regardless, that's a nice find by DanOfTheDead!


Weren't GI Joe, Transformers, and the My Little Pony movie all made around the same time? And then Transformers didn't do well in theaters, so GI Joe was bumped back to a TV release (and the negative reaction to Prime's death being why we get the dubbed over "Duke's okay!" line at the end). I don't know the timeline exactly, but I'm convince this was supposed to be a nod to the movie's Cobra Commander..
Author:  Silent Master [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:27 pm ]
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what ep of season 3
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