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I remember hearing a long time ago that Mutt was originally designed with the intent to be a Cobra instead of a Joe. I more recently heard that Beach head was another. Does anyone know or have any suspicions as to which figures released as a Joe may have originally been intended as a Cobra instead?

Sci-fi, Shockwave, Battle Corps Law, and Ice Cream Soldier all pop into my mind based on some of their design elements.

Robo-Cop was released in 1987...filmed in 1986. "Filming began on August 6, 1986" according to wikipedia

Sci-Fi would've been designed in early 1985 to make his 1986 release date.

It just doesn't add up.

Sean_C wrote:

Concept art would have been started on the Robocop movie well over a year before the movie started shooting. It took 8 months just to fabricate the suit for Weller after he was measured.

Has anyone ever seen the concept art for Cobra Mutt? I'd love to see what they were thinking. Was he still going to be a dog handler or would he have had another discipline?

pluv wrote:

Sean_C wrote:

Concept art would have been started on the Robocop movie well over a year before the movie started shooting. It took 8 months just to fabricate the suit for Weller after he was measured.

Show me some RoboCop deisgns that were widely known/circulated in 1985 or some info from someone who worked at Hasbro and I might buy it. Usually movie inspired GI Joe figures came well after the source material.

Author:	Jogunwarrior [ Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:29 pm ]
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I remember hearing a long time ago that Mutt was originally designed with the intent to be a Cobra instead of a Joe. I more recently heard that Beach head was another. Does anyone know or have any suspicions as to which figures released as a Joe may have originally been intended as a Cobra instead? Sci-fi, Shockwave, Battle Corps Law, and Ice Cream Soldier all pop into my mind based on some of their design elements.

Author:	Lev [ Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:29 pm ]
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Chameleon

Author:	Mike T. [ Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:56 pm ]
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Jogunwarrior wrote: I remember hearing a long time ago that Mutt was originally designed with the intent to be a Cobra instead of a Joe. I more recently heard that Beach head was another. Does anyone know or have any suspicions as to which figures released as a Joe may have originally been intended as a Cobra instead? Sci-fi, Shockwave, Battle Corps Law, and Ice Cream Soldier all pop into my mind based on some of their design elements. If you want a Cobra who was meant to be a Joe, you have Scrap Iron. His body was meant for the character that became Alpine. You can still see the pitons sculpted on his leg. I have no idea why he became Scrap Iron or why Alpine was redone the next year. But, there is schematic artwork showing the original design.

Author:	RedLasersArmy [ Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:21 pm ]
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I'm fairly certain Sci Fi was a riff on Robocop. Mutt was most definitely intended to be a Cobra initially. There are lots of sources out there to support it. I've never heard of the Beach Head figure being intended for Cobra. Where did that come from? And Mike T's bang on about Scrap Iron. Again, lots of concept and presentation art to prove it. Although I have nothing to support it, my gut tells me Blowtorch was conceived as a Cobra, but quickly became a Joe early in the development process. Just knowing of what I do about the early Gijoe crew and atmosphere at Hasbro at the time as well as the process, it's just always sat with me that this was the case. The same could be said for Barbecue. I'm not talking about a fully sculpted figure that got an alternate paint scheme at the 11th hour and a new filecard; I mean, the concept was put on the table, rough sketches began, and the character morphed or developed over time into the Joe you know today. Not related, but sort of - Nullifiers were originally meant to be in Cobra La.

Author:	Sean_C [ Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:39 pm ]
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Robo-Cop was released in 1987...filmed in 1986. "Filming began on August 6, 1986" according to wikipedia Sci-Fi would've been designed in early 1985 to make his 1986 release date. It just doesn't add up.

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Author:	pluv [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:45 pm ]
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Sean_C wrote: Robo-Cop was released in 1987...filmed in 1986. "Filming began on August 6, 1986" according to wikipedia Sci-Fi would've been designed in early 1985 to make his 1986 release date. It just doesn't add up. Concept art would have been started on the Robocop movie well over a year before the movie started shooting. It took 8 months just to fabricate the suit for Weller after he was measured.

Author:	pluv [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:30 pm ]
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Also, here is a custom someone did of the pre-Scrap-Iron concept art for the NEw Orleans 2 Joe Con custom contest. Attachment: delete.jpg [ 93.8 KiB \| Viewed 1412 times ]

Author:	GITrekker [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:32 pm ]
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I don't see Sci-Fi as a Cobra, or Shockwave, really. Law -- maaaayybe. Ice Cream Soldier, almost definitely, and some years later, WAS produced as a Cobra, the Shock-Viper, and it was an improvement for the most part.

Author:	Morian Miner [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:12 pm ]
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Has anyone ever seen the concept art for Cobra Mutt? I'd love to see what they were thinking. Was he still going to be a dog handler or would he have had another discipline?

Author:	Sean_C [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:52 pm ]
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pluv wrote: Sean_C wrote: Robo-Cop was released in 1987...filmed in 1986. "Filming began on August 6, 1986" according to wikipedia Sci-Fi would've been designed in early 1985 to make his 1986 release date. It just doesn't add up. Concept art would have been started on the Robocop movie well over a year before the movie started shooting. It took 8 months just to fabricate the suit for Weller after he was measured. Show me some RoboCop deisgns that were widely known/circulated in 1985 or some info from someone who worked at Hasbro and I might buy it. Usually movie inspired GI Joe figures came well after the source material.

Author:	RelenaWarcraft [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:48 pm ]
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I feel like Sonic Fighters Psyche-Out was originally intended to be a Tele-Viper.

Author:	GITrekker [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:35 pm ]
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Morian Miner wrote: Has anyone ever seen the concept art for Cobra Mutt? I'd love to see what they were thinking. Was he still going to be a dog handler or would he have had another discipline? He was going to be a Cobra Dog Handler. Dan Klingensmith's "3.75 Joe" books have some concept art.

Author:	The Spectre [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:21 am ]
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Are there any that went the other way? As in, designed as a Joe but became a Cobra?

Author:	Jogunwarrior [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:04 am ]
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Thanks for the help and info! The Scrap Iron as a Joe is one I hadn't heard or seen before!

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Author:	MJTanner [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:14 pm ]
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Sean_C wrote: pluv wrote: Sean_C wrote: Robo-Cop was released in 1987...filmed in 1986. "Filming began on August 6, 1986" according to wikipedia Sci-Fi would've been designed in early 1985 to make his 1986 release date. It just doesn't add up. Concept art would have been started on the Robocop movie well over a year before the movie started shooting. It took 8 months just to fabricate the suit for Weller after he was measured. Show me some RoboCop deisgns that were widely known/circulated in 1985 or some info from someone who worked at Hasbro and I might buy it. Usually movie inspired GI Joe figures came well after the source material. Agreed. It doesn't really make sense unless someone can show a through line.