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 Post subject: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:30 pm 
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Over in the Club forums, there was a post about the (estimated) costs of the exclusives that got into how the club does not provide information in a timely manner. Here is the post that I made to the thread:

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I have to chime in on this as well. Over the years, I have asked for information about the expenses involved in attending the con and exclusives, and have been rebuffed.

My concern with exclusives started the first year I attended a con (2003 in SF. I had a reasonable budget that was obliterated during the check-in line as I found out that there were additional figure packs and vehicles available for purchase. I would have loved to know what these items were going to be before I arrived, but that is a battle I have fought, and lost, many times.

I have also made suggestions that I think would have helped the club move additional product based on my desires, as well as people who were not interested in joining the club due to the perception that the club does not serve the members, but the members serve the club. The biggest concern is the cost of figures that are presented in a boxed set. The club does well by allowing the sale of a bagged set when you buy a boxed set at the Con. Why was this not available for the MOTH sets? Why not have the limit of two sets per each boxed set purchased? I know that if I bought a MOTH set and I could buy two additional sets of the figures loose at a reduced cost, I would have done so. Based on the information that Brain has provided in the past, doubling or tripling the size of a figure run can often be done without a big cost increase, since he has stated that the small figure runs cost as much as the larger runs since it costs the same amount to set up the equipment for a run.

I attend the convention each year, mainly now as a chance to reunite with people I've met over the years. Once I spend my money on the registration and the convention exclusives, I only find myself looking forward to the seminars, especially the Club one. However, even there, a large number of suggestions/ideas/requests are just blown off with standard replies.

I know several other people who feel that this club is not keeping up with what it can offer, from what seems to be an outdated website and message board, the inability to distribute information in an electronic manner due to a relaince on the mailed newsletter, to an outdated convention registration system, and so on.

Until a few months ago, the newsletters were available online, and when they were removed, there was an outcry, and outcry that was met with a response similar to "We don't want the information getting out to non-paying people, so accept it." Amazingly enough, when one person gets the newsletter via first (cl*** gets blacked out - see outdated message board comment above) - expedited postage - they go somewhere on the internet and say "Look what was in the latest newsletter" and it gets to the non-paying audience just as fast. With the responses we do get, when we get them, it is amazing that people continue to speak up about issues that concern them.

I remember when a popular army builder was made available in a set, and people clamored for more, Brian responded with something similar to "How about a bag of 20 for $100?" The response was a resounding yes. A quality figure for $5, it was equivalent to what was being charged by TRU in their five packs. When asked a few months later, we were told a version of "It's not cost effective to do that. Sorry." This from a figure that was already produced once, and the costs were established.

Until the flow of information changes from the club, posts of these types will continue to pop up, and I may make it my point to support them. I know that there are reasons the Club makes the decisions that it does, but once a product is put together (parts, paint masks, etc) where the costs are reasonably known, it shouldn't be impossible for the Club to provide that information.

*Heading off my soapbox and back to lurker mode*


Let me know if I should add to it, or if i should take a step off a tall building.

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:48 pm 
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Nah, you've pretty much hit the high points. I look forward to the day the license for the fan club is reviewed again. The products that get made are cool but I'm less and less inclined to provide financial support to a club which seems to not cater to half of its membership. I know this club has its roots in 12", but it's funny to see them make all this 3 3/4" stuff, have Hasbro putting out toys that are 3 3/4" or that will be 12" but based on 3 3/4" yet the concerns that seem to get voiced by the 3 3/4" membership go in one ear and out the other. I feel the only actual connection I ever have with the club is solely between my bank account and theirs.

Call me when THE Mike(TM) gets some kind of Official Canadian Fan Club blessing so I can support something that I believe in and feels like it caters to the fandom instead of tolerating them in lieu of something that's the only option.

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:56 pm 
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Call me when THE Mike(TM) gets some kind of Official Canadian Fan Club blessing so I can support something that I believe in and feels like it caters to the fandom instead of tolerating them in lieu of something that's the only option.


Ditto, couldn't have said it any better.


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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:54 am 
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I myself have raised my concerns in the past on the MC boards over some of the issues they are having and I have always tried to remain polite and logical and haven't not resorted to name calling, yet often I hear the same type of response. Usually it will be along the lines of "You point has been made and we don't want to drag this out anymore and this is suppose to be a fun place". There is some validity to that point and I see where they are coming from. They want to maintain a positive atmosphere. My personal experience with the club have become a mixed bag over the year with the club and it's only normal that people remember the negative more than the positive. I will keep raising these points when the topic comes up until they get things resolved and customer service is improved. I do not start the conversations but I will joining them. I also suggested they have an open form where all these issues can be brought up, thus keeping them out of other threads but that suggestion fell on deaf ears. I think one of the biggest problems is they only listen to the hand full of members who post on a regular basis and more often than not, those that post are the guy that defend the club. I use to be one of them. Now, I see where the club can be improved and I'm not trying to drag them thru the mud, I just want them to be accountable and fix the areas that need improvement. I don't want to hear excuses, I just want solutions.

Yes the Club makes great figures, but so does Joe Canuck and we all know THE Mike has limited resources to work with. Imagine what he could do if he had access to the ARAH library of parts.

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:34 am 
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I've heard the club locks threads like this almost as soon as they arrise. Sledge, let us know if MC responds, would you?

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:14 pm 
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Scramble wrote:
I've heard the club locks threads like this almost as soon as they arrise. Sledge, let us know if MC responds, would you?

The thread that SledgeHammer posted in has already been locked once. It was later unlocked.

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:14 pm 
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Beav wrote:
so I can support something that I believe in and feels like it caters to the fandom instead of tolerating them in lieu of something that's the only option.
I feel the same exact way. I support their business. I gladly buy their products. But trying to accept them as anything but a business is impossible. No fan club of any kind would be successful if they dismissed their members' wishes as often as the GI Joe Collectors Club does. I'm getting tired of seeing the same complaints over and over again with nothing being done about them. If it wasn't for the 3 3/4" product nobody would still be a member. It wouldn't be worth it.

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:35 pm 
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I'm not a huge GI Joe collector, I don't have every single figure, I don't have a single exclucive figure from the "club" so please don't throw me against the wall and beat me up if this has been said or suggested before, but why don't you guys one year get together on all the boards and local groups and "boycott" the club figures that year, don't join(or rejoin) and don't buy anything from them.

It makes me wonder if that's why they seem to not care, cause they know people will still buy the stuff, they'll still get their money, know what I mean?

Just a thought, if it's been tried or brought up, then nevermind, :whistling:


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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:21 pm 
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Could someone please post in which forum group and thread Sledge Hammer wrote the above post? I was not able to find it earlier this morning.

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:57 pm 
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I had a reasonable budget that was obliterated during the check-in line as I found out that there were additional figure packs and vehicles available for purchase. I would have loved to know what these items were going to be before I arrived, but that is a battle I have fought, and lost, many times.

I'll reiterate the importance of this for those who can't (won't ;)) attend as well. Typically, I send money to a friend in advance of the Con so they can acquire the attendee items I'm after. It's not really fair to that person to ask them to shell out money from their own pockets if the offerings end up being more expensive or more numerous than previous shows.

If MC wants a "surprise", then good for them. But, they should at least say, "we'll have an ARAH figure 2 pack, a new sculpt figure 3 pack and a vehicle and those will cost x, y and z.". That way, I can plan, attendees can plan, etc.

I think this is going to be more important this year as I expect we're not going to see as many vehicles and might see more figures. I typically skip the vehicles and don't want them. But, if a vehicle is being replaced by an additional figure pack or other figure bonus this year, knowing that ahead of time would ensure that I can send enough money to an attendee ahead of time so they can get the attendee items for me without having to front me the money.

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
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Scramble wrote:
I've heard the club locks threads like this almost as soon as they arrise. Sledge, let us know if MC responds, would you?


Wow. I didn't know that. I don't bother with their site unless I want to buy something or there is actually information on there to see because it's so impossible to navigate. But I think that is a horrible way to treat your customers/members when they've already spent money to support you to begin with.

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:09 pm 
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Could someone please post in which forum group and thread Sledge Hammer wrote the above post? I was not able to find it earlier this morning.

Thanks!

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JoeCon 2008; 2008 3.75' set souvenirs budgeting; page 5.
http://www.mastercollector.com/pforums/ ... m=16&SR=61

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
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Blitzkrieg wrote:
Could someone please post in which forum group and thread Sledge Hammer wrote the above post? I was not able to find it earlier this morning.

Thanks!

Blitzkrieg


It's in the Joecon 2008! section, under the title: 2008 3.75' set souvenirs budgeting.

You'll see Dune Echo and myself all over that topic.

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
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Scramble wrote:
I've heard the club locks threads like this almost as soon as they arrise. Sledge, let us know if MC responds, would you?


Wow. I didn't know that. I don't bother with their site unless I want to buy something or there is actually information on there to see because it's so impossible to navigate. But I think that is a horrible way to treat your customers/members when they've already spent money to support you to begin with.


I don't have a membership but still can agree with the constant complaints of the poor site design that is very amateur'ish in scope and ignores literally dozens of web design guides and ideas aimed at presenting clean navigation and site design with easy to get to and read content

And instead looks like something this guy created

Does anyone know when the Hasbro license is up for bidding?

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 Post subject: Re: My post in the GIJCC forums
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:39 pm 
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Some of us were talking in chat, and we think that if we got Justin to design the page, enough of us could get together and run the Club in a decent fashion.

Shame we don't have the cash for the license.

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