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| Author: | Dusty79 [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Perhaps a dumb question..... |
So what is the difference between a kitbash and an LBC? I can't seem to find a distinctive difference. |
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| Author: | joemichaels70 [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
I think the term kitbash implies true, elaborate, or 'heavy' customizing while LBC implies part-swapping, no 'real' customizing or paint. |
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| Author: | DanOfTheDead [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
Kitbash, I believe, refers to practices originating outside of general figure customizing. I THINK it originates from "bashing" together various model "kits", and I see it more often used in the model hobbyist circles and the 12" figure circles, where you often may not being physically altering pieces but collecting clothing and accessories from various sources to create something new. I think our type of customizing appropriated the term to refer to projects that don't involve a lot of alteration. If there IS a distinction that needs to be made for our style of work, I'd say kitbashing would be more along the lines of re-outfitting an existing figure with accessories from other figures, maybe at most a head swap. If you had to crack a torso or unscrew something, you're moving into part swapping. LBC (I'm aware of this term first showing up on EvilFace's old site, but it may well be older) figures are parts swaps with VERY minimal, if any, paint or other alterations. So, I'd say LBC is very specific to our scale/style of work, while kitbashing is an appropriated hobbyist term from similar circles that roughly means about the same thing, but could be argued to have some semantic differences. They are used fairly interchangeably, hence why it's hard to nail down a concrete difference. |
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| Author: | JBYRDD [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
I think " Kit Bash " is like when you take a unarticulated figure and add " Joe-ticulation " to it, like Keenan does with some of his latest work, take parts from his Chap Mei Cowboy and put them onto a select body, in his instance he used a GI Joe body, some terms have different interpretations and meanings to the individual. 
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| Author: | Dusty79 [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
Thanks guys. I see the term kitbash used more frequently over on Hisstank than I see it here. Googling just came up with modeling definitions as you mentioned involving trains and rockets and what not. I'm gonna stick with LBC. |
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| Author: | Doctor Robert Strange [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
How I've interpreted it: LBC- Lazy b@st@rd custom= Very basic, "easy" custom. Head swaps, limb swaps, etc. Require little/no paint, boil & popping/screwing-unscrewing max for disassembly. Kitbash- Special fx/model builder term, from when modelers (especially ILM) would use model kit parts to put together their own designs. I consider kitbashes either using non-toy parts as fodder or fusing multiple disparate elements (toys, hardware, random bits & pieces/AKA "greebles") to make toys. I personally use the term for what I do when I construct toys/accessories from non-toy parts. |
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| Author: | Pyre [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
The two terms are in no way interchangeable. The term "kitbash" itself implies that some work be done whereas LBC does not. |
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| Author: | Jay [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
Dusty79 wrote: Thanks guys. I see the term kitbash used more frequently over on Hisstank than I see it here. Googling just came up with modeling definitions as you mentioned involving trains and rockets and what not. I'm gonna stick with LBC. Kitbashing also tends to be used in Transformers circles for customs, likely because the earliest custom toys shown off were typically of multiple TFs and other fodder pieces "bashed" together like one would kitbash a model kit. Hisstank was spun off from Transformers fansite TFW2005, so that's why they use the term extensively there. |
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| Author: | DanOfTheDead [ Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
I suppose LBC has a more widely accepted, specific meaning, while kitbash can refer to vary different amounts of work depending on the associated hobby. In my experience, in our circles, they are often used to mean roughly the same things. Ktibashing, originally, meant to scavenge parts from other commercially available sets as opposed to creating something from scratch. The analog to 3.75" customizing is simple part swapping... or an LBC. |
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| Author: | newwavepop [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
ive never even heard the term LBC, not that i recall. |
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| Author: | Dusty79 [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
I think Jay is right on this, it has to be the TF guys bleeding that term into the Joe world over there on Hiss. I even just found one in their finished custom section labeled "kitbash/lazy customs" and they were Joes that we would call LBC's. So the terms are being used interchangeably with regard to Joe customizing, at least by some. As far as trains, rockets, TF's, etc, I think the term does imply some sort of work involved because changing accessories in those realms would involve some modding, glueing, etc. I like LBC better anyway. |
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| Author: | drbindy [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
LBC is clearly defined, but if nothing else it should be clear that a kit-bash has a fairly vague meaning within our corner of the hobby world. That said, I don't take it to mean LBC at all, for what that is worth. I take it to mean quite literally the bashing together of parts from two or more different sources. That could result in an LBC, certainly, but it could also result in a quite complex custom, depending on the work performed. So I don't think the terms are synonymous at all. I used to take "kit-bashing" to be synonymous with the general term "customizing" to be honest. Though I think the nuance involves the combination of different parts, more so than any of the other modifications we might perform. The use of the term I am most familiar with for our scale implies the same thing, as you will often hear someone say they bashed figure A onto figure B. I therefore think it's meant to describe a technique or combining of parts, not necessarily one that goes without paint or further customization thereafter. |
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| Author: | pluv [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
KitBashing has variances in difficulty which makes the distinction between them hard to pinpoint, but the distinction is there. You have to look a the history of the terms. As people have said Kit bashing means it is bashed from several model kits. Taking the front of model A, the back of model B, and maybe the wings from model C and making them one distinct model. For the 12" Joe customizers this meant buying several different figure sets or accessory sets and combining pieces from each to create an entirely new look. For modelers a kitbash takes time and work to make those pieces work together. For 12" Joe customizers it takes time to accumulate those parts and the vision to see the different accessories to create that new look. Now fast forward to Evilface's site and Zarana-X coining the term with a submission description which had minimal effort to it. For ARAH customizers, we only needed a screw driver to do a kitbash. While part swap customs are still cool, they are also pretty easy. LBC just kind of stuck for those simple customs. It isn't a knock against them. The term just acknowledges it isn't quite as complex as something that someone spent 15 hours painting super detail camo on. As drbindy said, kitbashing has become just customizing in general. However you have the Club which has called the ARAH kitbash/part swap customs FrankenJoes.  So, you can have a lot of different people calling them different things based on how they came into the hobby.
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| Author: | chrysophylax [ Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
pluv wrote: As drbindy said, kitbashing has become just customizing in general. However you have the Club which has called the ARAH kitbash/part swap customs FrankenJoes. So, you can have a lot of different people calling them different things based on how they came into the hobby.Now there's a term I haven't encountered in a while. Frankensteining - JM Sent from my GT-P7300 using Tapatalk HD |
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| Author: | Zarana-X [ Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Perhaps a dumb question..... |
Did someone say my name?  LBC means pretty much no paint involved. The first LBC was made by me putting a Sonic Fighter Law torso on a regular Law legs & waist. The Sonic law had a broken crotch and I felt the colors matched better, I admitted it was a "lazy bastard custom", the rest is history more or less.  Ooh, those old 35mm pictures suck now... My follow up to that LBC was putting a Cobra emblem on V1 Snake Eyes, who had broken thumbs, and puttign the 97 Snake Eyes arms on it to make Cobra Invasor  http://evilface.com/lazycustomaward.htm |
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