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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:31 am 
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It's a great custom PN forget Jay's mis-informed comments. Decals can be bought from CobraStickers they do Red Shadow sheets as well hopefully the right size for figures.

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:35 am 
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Not another douche. :roll: Right Jay Jamar has not created Battle Action Force it was a fully licensed comic in the 70's and 80's in the UK basing it's stories on the Palitoy range of Action Force then later on GI Joe before Marvel UK got the licence. Visit BFTB and have a look you will see it's not fanfic.


to be fair to Jay I think he knows BAF isnt fanfic, he just doesnt remember Red TAKO

in the comic RED VULTURE, RED WOLF, RED LASER, RED SULTAN, etc are sometimes called out without the RED in front of their name just like BLACK MAJOR isnt always called BLACK MAJOR but sometimes Major

Red isnt always used infront of the animal names and Jay just isnt that familiar OBVIOUSLY with the red shadows or Action Force as he is with the mainline GI JOE product from the USA

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:10 am 
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ironblood wrote:
Not another douche. :roll:

Now now. I haven't insulted anyone, no need to start turning the thread hostile.

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Right Jay Jamar has not created Battle Action Force it was a fully licensed comic in the 70's and 80's in the UK basing it's stories on the Palitoy range of Action Force then later on GI Joe before Marvel UK got the licence. Visit BFTB and have a look you will see it's not fanfic.

I have been to BFTB. I have read the comics. I am familiar with the characters and fiction. I've even posted on the BFTB message boards.

Tako is just a very forgettable character, and the Red prefix threw me off since none of the fiction-only Shads use it (see: Nightmare, Sultan). It doesn't help making him memorable that Red Laser alternates between calling him "Tako" and "Octopus" (even if they're the same word in different languages).

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to be fair to Jay I think he knows BAF isnt fanfic, he just doesnt remember Red TAKO

in the comic RED VULTURE, RED WOLF, RED LASER, RED SULTAN, etc are sometimes called out without the RED in front of their name just like BLACK MAJOR isnt always called BLACK MAJOR but sometimes Major

Red isnt always used infront of the animal names and Jay just isnt that familiar OBVIOUSLY with the red shadows or Action Force as he is with the mainline GI JOE product from the USA

Well, sorry Jamar, I've read some of these comics for fun and didn't bother memorizing every little thing about them for future reference.
A one-page goon using a different name and outfit from the one seen on the custom is bound to confuse some. Tako/Octopus wore a wet-suit identical to a Q-Force uniform, as you can see here when Dolphin-disguised-as-Tako is shown to match Q-Force's own colors.

And again... Sultan wasn't Red Sultan. I am familiar with the BAF fiction. And in the actual BAF fiction, datafiles, etc., neither Tako/Octopus or Sultan ever used the names "Red Tako" or "Red Sultan", no more than Nightmare went by "Red Nightmare". Your fanon is not canon.

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:20 am 
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LOL whatever makes you happy Jay, Im not in a mood to argue with someone who didnt even know the character

I guess we will just agree to disagree

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jamarmiller wrote:
LOL whatever makes you happy Jay, Im not in a mood to argue with someone who didnt even know the character

I guess we will just agree to disagree

It's not hard to get to know the character.

Everything there is to know about him is right there in black and white and an occasional dash of color in Operation Sealion (which I'd read before and have read again for the purposes of this discussion). He's seen on one page and mentionned in passing on two others.

You show me, Jamar. Where in this or any other Battle Action Force tale is Tako/Octopus ever called "Red Tako"?
As I've said, your fanon is not canon. You're welcome to your own personal interpretations, as is everyone else, but as far as the actual facts, the actual story itself goes... Red Laser's diver was called Tako and Octopus only.

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:28 am 
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And again... Sultan wasn't Red Sultan. I am familiar with the BAF fiction. And in the actual BAF fiction, datafiles, etc., neither Tako/Octopus or Sultan ever used the names "Red Tako" or "Red Sultan", no more than Nightmare went by "Red Nightmare". ..........................



um REALLY ??? okay okay I said I wasnt but before I leave this thread i do feel like I need to back one thing up -----again id say please read the story in its entirely or better yet maybe you should just stop saying things that you really dont know uch about LOL

http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/comics/baf/023/012.html

2nd panel in the narrator type box RED SULTAN Oh well I guess we choose what we want to read and see

sorry this is my last response to this thread, you kids have fun!

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
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jamarmiller wrote:
um REALLY ??? okay okay I said I wasnt but before I leave this thread i do feel like I need to back one thing up -----again id say please read the story in its entirely or better yet maybe you should just stop saying things that you really dont know uch about LOL

http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/comics/baf/023/012.html

2nd panel in the narrator type box RED SULTAN Oh well I guess we choose what we want to read and see

sorry this is my last response to this thread, you kids have fun!

Okay, you got me there, I guess he really was the Red Sultan.

But my point stands in regards to Tako/Octopus.


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better yet maybe you should just stop saying things that you really dont know uch about LOL

Same to you. You should truly familiarize yourself more with Tako/Octopus's character.

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:40 am 
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Hey everyone! Look! There's some kind of custom at the beginning of this thread!

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I like the upper portion of the custom a lot, but the baggy pants just don't work for a diver, IMO. I know the Torpedo legs would look shrimpy on him, but maybe something a bit more streamlined?

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
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Red Tako, or Tako?

Who cares, If I slap an Airborne head on an 83 Cobra trooper and say its George Talltree, Airbornes long lost evil twin brother, then in fact it is. Now, being all upset that a character in a couple panels of 20-30 year old comic got the prefix Red added to his name for a custom, doesn't make a lot of sense. Seems like you are just looking for stuff to argue with people about.

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:53 pm 
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I like the update to the character. Very close to the original.

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:04 pm 
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Ok point taken Bad Ash.

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
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It's a cool take on a figure. It almost feels like he put together a quick scuba suit.

Still, Red Tako or Tako works. Just be glad he isn't Pink Tako. :shifty:

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Pink Tako sounds like a great name for a porno. If only I had more disposable income... :-(

But anyway, thanks for all the comments, guys. Even if there's some disagreements over names and such, I'm glad to see that guys like Action Force enough to notice.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:21 pm 
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.....................I'm glad to see that guys like Action Force enough to notice.


as do I !! and thats the big victory about all of this!
people care enough and like action force / RED SHADOWS enough to notice

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 Post subject: Re: Red Tako- Red Shadows Diver
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...and I have you to blame for that, Jamar! ;-)

How many Jamar Miller-influenced customs do I have now?

Let's see... Red Scream, Red Tako, Wilder Vaugh the Black Major, Dela Eden, Artur Kulik, Skeletron, Red Vulture. Seven so far. I still can't come up with a design for Baron Ironblood that I like yet, but I'm working on it. I'm starting to mentally piece together a Red Laser figure, too.


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