kingofpain26 is behind on his debts

Rasputin · **Joined:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:19 am

I have to agree with Dr.Bindy because it is very easy to overlook how casual and none-chalant Sledge Hammer was about asking for his money (if you consider the span of time).In part because people don't want to appear like jerks so i suspect Sledge wasn't just not asking for it out of courtesy but was also shy in asserting himself which is a common trait for people.

Making him out to be the bad guy here though is NOT fair at all.

KoP is down on his luck, and while what Sledge did was take a risk, it doesn't justify doing what KoP did in not so much not paying back or making an effort (i agree that even good faith five dollar payments are better then nothing) but snapping at Sledge. Forget about the name, or reputation, these are the people actually trying to help you. Not a bank asking for an interest, or somebody leveraging your mortgage, but people who gave you money and just want it back AND not even in a reasonable time frame but even an unreasonable one.
Snapping at them is not right.

Furthermore, this notion of i just " bought a total of 20 worth of items, from money I got by selling that confederate figure, and specifically all of it at Alyosha's booth"
or "total of 30 bucks round trip that was paid for from my mother"

these things add up and whatever it is that is money.
I worked minimum wage and gave every cent to my parents, my grandfather came to this country at 60+ and worked for a dollar an hour. So i take that with a grain of salt in regards to its just 20 or 30 bucks.

So i am siding with Sledge Hammer and think he is being farely reasonable while KoP, out of pure frustration perhaps (doesn't justify it) is taking his anger out on the wrong people.

Just my two cents.

kingofpain26 · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:12 am

Rasputin wrote:

KoP is down on his luck, and while what Sledge did was take a risk, it doesn't justify doing what KoP did in not so much not paying back or making an effort (i agree that even good faith five dollar payments are better then nothing) but snapping at Sledge. Forget about the name, or reputation, these are the people actually trying to help you. Not a bank asking for an interest, or somebody leveraging your mortgage, but people who gave you money and just want it back AND not even in a reasonable time frame but even an unreasonable one.
Snapping at them is not right.my parents, my grandfather came to this country at 60+ and worked for a dollar an hour. So i take that with a grain of salt in regards to its just 20 or 30 bucks.

So i am siding with Sledge Hammer and think he is being farely reasonable while KoP, out of pure frustration perhaps (doesn't justify it) is taking his anger out on the wrong people.

Just my two cents.

point taken.... you are absolutely right...

I have to apologize for snapping...

but honestly (not an excuse) when you've lost everything you've owned, your so-called friends are turning on you.. and you JUST lost the crash spot you had, putting you out on the street...

yes you become mad at the world.

no, Sledge didnt deserve me snapping at him.. for that I apologize.

chaosx · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:32 am

I didn't know we were taking sides here.
But of course, like every playground there are bound to be a few kids fighting over toys...

DanOfTheDead · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:19 am

Sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, no doubt, but I have to say that as an outsider to all of this it really doesn't sound like it has anything to do with a trade gone bad or anything that would be appropriate to post here.

It seems like a personal financial dispute between two parties that has nothing to do with this forum. If you want to argue that it's relevant because people should be aware of doing future trades/business with someone's who hasn't paid back a personal loan, okay... but this has gone way beyond that.

Whatever "side" of this you're on, I don't feel that this thread is very reflective of the usual standard of civility of the site.

danielb · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:21 am

No one is taking sides, in fact if anything some of you guys appeared to be taking Kop's in something that is pretty straight forward.

KoP you got some tough times, super tough, I get that. I think the problem that a lot of people on this site and the other sites have is that a lot of these guys gave you money for con sets, and instead of refunding that money right away, you know as soon as it was known that you couldn't get the con sets, these guys are still waiting for their refunds.

though most of us aren't active on other boards we do read them and we all have a lot of friends throughout the community so this happening here just compounds a similar post on Hiss tank and Yo Joe. This gets brought up here to the fore front, because a board member is pretty desperate to get his money back that he loaned a fellow board member. So a thread like this is just here to get things out in the open. That's it, no sides, no drama. It is all pretty cut and dry.

Rasputin · **Joined:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:19 am

chaosx wrote:

I didn't know we were taking sides here.
But of course, like every playground there are bound to be a few kids fighting over toys...

Well you can call it what you like really (i like to call a cigar a cigar) and pretend that people don't choose sides even in something as detached as this, but its not true. Most often choose sides.

For instance, your post, without saying so explicitly suggested you sided with KoP. Regardless of what you may think that is how one would read your opinion even if you didn't pick sides in your own perception.

drbindy · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:33 am

DanOfTheDead wrote:

Sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, no doubt, but I have to say that as an outsider to all of this it really doesn't sound like it has anything to do with a trade gone bad or anything that would be appropriate to post here.

It seems like a personal financial dispute between two parties that has nothing to do with this forum. If you want to argue that it's relevant because people should be aware of doing future trades/business with someone's who hasn't paid back a personal loan, okay... but this has gone way beyond that.

Whatever "side" of this you're on, I don't feel that this thread is very reflective of the usual standard of civility of the site.

I'd normally agree with you 100% on this Dan, and I think your point is an extremely valid and fair one.

The only reason I took it as more than just a private matter is because there had been something of a solicitation here on Joe Customs last year. I don't know if that thread prompted this deal gone bad, so I guess I shouldn't assume so. But as someone who did pitch in a little bit to help KoP out at that time, I view this thread as useful information for my own personal benefit, and it does relate to things that happened here in that sense. I'm not suggesting a conclusion that must be drawn from the info, only that it was JC-relevant for me.

The very small amount I did was not a loan, so don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming to have any debt owed to me in any form whatsoever. But I do see the relevance in a feedback thread, under these particular circumstances, which was my only point to begin with.

kingofpain26 · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:20 am

danielb wrote:

No one is taking sides,

you, and several other JCers de-friended me on Facebook... CLEARLY that is taking sides.

danielb wrote:

KoP you got some tough times, super tough, I get that. I think the problem that a lot of people on this site and the other sites have is that a lot of these guys gave you money for con sets, and instead of refunding that money right away, you know as soon as it was known that you couldn't get the con sets, these guys are still waiting for their refunds.

no there wasnt a lot, there were 6. two got their con sets, 1 got a refund, and one got one and has been lying ever since about it. (to the point of being banned from several sites about it)
I owe TWO people, thats it, and one of them I've spoken to and understands the situation.

danielb wrote:

So a thread like this is just here to get things out in the open. That's it, no sides, no drama. It is all pretty cut and dry.

see first response on how that is untrue...things have been out in the open for awhile now...
and I hate to bring it up... I've noticed someone else going through similar drama.... don't see many people defriending him... they helped him just as I was helped.

My point is I don,t want to be banned from Joecustoms and I do wish to make amends... and Ive seen what happens to members, longtime or otherwise, who are accused.

danielb · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:27 am

I can't speak for anyone else on JC, but I knocked my friend list down to 57 people. all family, or close friends that live elsewhere. If i recall you were removed from it a long time before sledges post. If you want to perceive it as a slight towards you that is fine, I am sure you can c o miserate with a handful of my exes, I was unaware that facebook was a big deal.

for the record if you are referring to Kama going through similar drama I re moved him from my face book too, also for no other reason then wanting to be on facebook less. Once again can't speak for anyone else.

ZombieGuide · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:41 am

Everyone else jumping in is going to appear to be taking sides, etc, and add to the emotion of it all. Let's just back off and let these guys figure it out respectfully, and hopefully come to some sort of understanding/resolution.

pluv · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:49 am

ZombieGuide wrote:

Everyone else jumping in is going to appear to be taking sides, etc, and add to the emotion of it all. Let's just back off and let these guys figure it out respectfully, and hopefully come to some sort of understanding/resolution.

Agreed. If you aren't party to this transaction or any other transaction please refrain from commenting.

KoP wrote:

and I hate to bring it up... I've noticed someone else going through similar drama.... don't see many people defriending him... they helped him just as I was helped.

My point is I don,t want to be banned from Joecustoms and I do wish to make amends... and Ive seen what happens to members, longtime or otherwise, who are accused.

No one has ever been banned for accusations. There has to be proof. Contrary to some people's perceptions, I don't like banning people. I wish everyone would abide by the rules and play nice with others.

If you are talking about Kamakura, he has been trying to refund or otherwise take care of the people he owes. Slowly and one at a time, but he's making strides. He's so humbled by the experience that he put himself in a self imposed exile over it. You see, the community as a whole is very forgiving. Be up front and honest with people and they will past any bumps in the road. That is in high contrast to going to Joe related cons and meet ups and all the expenses that come with it, making empty promises about repayment, ignoring the situation entirely, and trying to play the victim against those who you have taken money from.

KoP wrote:

I have to apologize for snapping...

You see, that is a good first step. Its the first time I've seen you publicly apologize to anyone for what you've done. The next step is righting the wrongs.

For those wondering why I'm taking a vested interest in this despite not having anything to do with it let me tell you. Unfortunately I have an obligation to the members of this forum to protect them from people who would use their status in the community to take advantage of their goodwill. You need to work out a realistic payment schedule and show any sign that you put your friends before the toys. If you don't offer some kind of payment to Sledge Hammer and any other member of the forum who has not called you out within the next 30 days I have no choice.

Trading Forum section of the site rules wrote:

Be aware that all trades on this board are the responsibility of the traders involved. JoeCustoms.com will be under no liability for any of these dealings. However, if you have shown yourself to be a consistently bad trader and have left a large number of people high and dry, you will likely be banned from the site if you fail to meet your obligations within a deadline set by the site administrator.

The Trader Feedback section has threads created as needed for each member. If leaving any kind of feedback (good or not so good), we ask that you please post it in that person's thread. People can view that person's feedback thread and then decide for themselves whether to deal with them or not.

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fat_kids_joes · **Posted:** Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:25 pm

I too unfortunately have some laundry to air with Kingofpain26. We started a transaction back in the beginning of march. He had posted an ad titled need to raise some quick cash which had a defiant gantry with a bunch of corps space men for which he was asking $225 shipped. I apologize for the length of this post i just wanted to put everything in the clearest light possible.This is how it has played out to date:

March 3 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

I'm interested in your defiant crawler. What kind of shape are the doors in and how much are you asking for it?
Thanks
John

kingofpain26 wrote:

doors are perfect (all weapons, and handlebars) the crank still works.

pics are up on the ad.

asking 225 shipped or B.O.

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Man that looks real nice. Have you gotten any offers yet? How would you feel about 200 for just the defiant parts?
Thanks
John

kingofpain26 wrote:

SOLD! paypal addy: edit removed PayPal address

So I immediately sent him 200 via pay pal as a gift

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Payment sent! Could you Please let me know how much extra it will be to insure it for $200. I'd hate for it to show up and be broken due to mishandling at the post office. My address is:
John Kay
Edit: removed address
John

March 4 2011

kingofpain26 wrote:

I'll see what i can do. and give you a price. Im shipping everything UPS (since they pick up)

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Sounds good. Thanks for the update
John

March 11 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Hey,
I havn't heard from you in a while, just thought I'd check up and see how things are progressing.
John

March 12 2011

kingofpain26 wrote:

serious delay with some personal issues, and .. the box I had for the Crawler was too small. Plus I had to find something sutible to secure the doors.

lastly.. its costing more than the entire cost to ship (275 to ship with 200 insurance) so Im gonna try USPS

fat_kids_joes wrote:

No stress. I was afraid you might run into that problem with the shipping. Thanks for the update. Let me know what you find out at the post office.
John

March 20 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Hey,
Just curious how the post office treated you
Lmk
John

March 25 2011

kingofpain26 wrote:

a bit more reasonable.. but klinda steep. (bout 100 bucks)

if you mind, I know you have been waiting a while on this. is it possible I can tackle this after joecon? (april 4th)

fat_kids_joes wrote:

That's ok with me just as long as were communicating I'm ok. Enjoy the con!

April 5 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Hey KoP,
Looks like the con was a blast! I'm jealous :-D

Just had a couple of ideas for you to look into as far as shipping goes. I have a brother who owns a reptile shop and sometimes has to ship large (10'-20' 100 lbs+) and he told me he can ship it on a airline (like southwest) airport to airport for around 100. I have another brother who just bought and shipped a motercycle drone several states away for $500 via a independent guy who makes a living shipping large akward stuff. I know that those prices are not cheaper but I imagine that they might charge less for a smaller/ lighter parcel

If there's anything I can do to help you with this please let me know
Thanks
John

April 6 2011

kingofpain26 wrote:

hmmm...

I will look into that...

April 15 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Just thought I'd check and see how this is coming
Lmk
John

April 16 2011

kingofpain26 wrote:

found a spot (Currier) who will ship it for 55 bucks, and supply a big enough box... I just have to wait until I get some more scratch. sending out all those refunds from joecon tapped me out.

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Sweet! Glad you found a less expensive way to ship it! Let me know when to expect the courier.
Thanks
John

April 26 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

So, I'm not trying to be a jerk or insensitive to your current plight but in all honesty what are the odds of my getting the toy ever? In your last post it made it sound like it wasn't in your possession anymore. I would still like it if you still have it, and I'm still willing to wait but if possible a time frame would be nice
Thanks
John

kingofpain26 wrote:

no... you're gonna get it.

luckly, the defiant I had moved to my moms basement, as her house was closer to the post office, so i still have it...

its the one thing other than one other vehicle I sold I DID save...

its just a matter of me getting the money to mail it out (what drained my funds is i had to refund some people money that I borrowed when this whole stupid sleighride started. and a few others who gave me money to get sets from joecon (which sold out)

I am trying, honest. and you will get it... Im actually eagar to see what you were trying to custiomize with it...

fat_kids_joes wrote:

It's cool I've been there before myself. I'm not actually planning on customizing it. The blue doors on mine shattered into a million little blue razors durring my last move and I just want to be able to display it. I Havnt had a chance to display it since I bought it as I didn't have room because I was living with my brother. If there's somthing I can do to help you out let me know and heres hoping things start going better for you
John

May 12 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Just thought I'd drop you a line and see how things are going

kingofpain26 wrote:

got it boxed up....

but my parents have taken a turn for the worse, so Ive been kinda "distracted" taking care of them...

still on the ball though.

also sympathetic Joebros are aware of my dilemmas, and sent me an added bonus to give to you... I threw it in the box.

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Sorry about your folks. It seems like when it rains it pours sometimes. Bonus sounds exciting :-D Thanks for the update!
John

June 5 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Hey bud just wondering how things are going
thanks
John

June 6 2011

kingofpain26 wrote:

Im gpnna mail it out before the month is out, as I am planning of moving to Chicago...

June 7 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Sounds good! Please let me know when it goes out and contact info for the couirer. Good luck on your upcoming move. I hope things go better for you in Chicago than they have in Boston.
John

July 6 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

So the first has come and gone and I havent heard anything from you. What's up?

July 10 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

So your just going to ignore me then? Not cool man. I'm afraid if this isn't resolved soon I'm going to have to make this public. I hope to not have to do that.
If there's anything I can to to help expidite things please feel free to let me know
John

kingofpain26 wrote:

I'm not ignoring you dude,.....

I honestly just have been dealing with a lot of stuff.

I found out that my stuff was NOT destroyed when i went to court 3 weeks ago. so Ive been trying to find a place for it. as I have a court order to remove it or it WILL get destroyed. My mission to move got complicated because of that , and may be scrapped completely.

not to mention my son was in a car accident last week...

Its just a LOT of things being put on my plate, on top of all the crap thats already there. I understand completely that I have an bligation to a lot f people...

but I simply cant do it right now. it is completely unlike me to be selfish and foucs on myself... but right now I have to in order to survive.

I havent jyped you, the crawler is still here...

July 11 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

I'm glad that your stuff wasn't destroyed, and I'm sorry to hear about your son, I hope he is ok. I apologize if I came across as accusatory. But it has been almost 6 months, and $200 may not be alot to some but it's a big sum to me. Because of that my wife is on my case about it. Like I said last time if there's anything I can do to help expedite the process please let me know
John

August 27 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

Its been a while and I thought I'd check and see how things are going
John

kingofpain26 wrote:

at this point Im actually thinking of offering you a refund AND shipping it to you..

August 28 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

You don't need to do that. Do you have an idea of when you might be able to send it out?

October 15 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

So let me get this straight... You don't have the $50 to send my package out, but you've got $60 for round trip bus fare to nycc?

October 17 2011

kingofpain26 wrote:

you know... Im not even gonna dignify that remark with a response...

you have NO IDEA what Ive been going through, what Ive been doing, or even how much it cost to get to New york...from Boston...

I already told you you were getting full refund.

again I completely understand your frustration.... but you need to tone it down a notch...

fat_kids_joes wrote:

I've been incredibly fair with you. How much longer would YOU be willing to wait if you were in my shoes? As far as not knowing what bus tickets cost I looked it up. $60 was the cheapest round trip tickets I could find from Boston to New York. I understand that you've been through alot, but what dose that have to do with this? Our deal was I send you money you send me toys, not I send you money you send me toys unless somthing bad happens to you. All I want is a fair deal.

kingofpain26 wrote:

Fung wa Bus - 15 dollars each way... (hence my facebook post about being in chinatown)

I really am disappointed in you that you actually LOOKED UP THE BUS PRICES TO TRY TO SEE HOW MUCH I SPENT...

really dude?

again I understand your frustration...

but

1) Before this drama I had impeccable feedback
2) I have dealt wit people who have also had life altering problems, and seeing as how I would eventually see them at joecon or other cons, I was patient, and they came through/

Its not like Im going to suddenly dissappear from the Joe community (Like some other thieves) nor am I sitting on a pile of other people's money, cacklying and counting stolen G.I.Joes...

I said I would give you your money back. and also try to ship out the defiant.. Give me time.. yest its taking a LOT of time.. but time is what I need...

oh and for the record:

Bus fare = 30 bucks round trip, paid via MY MOTHER WHO BOUGHT MY TICKET
NYCC entry: Free Via Terrordrome Press Pass
FOOD = Bought via FOOD STAMPS
spending money: ZERO I didnt buy a single thing, and the onlyt hing I got for free is a Hasbro Optimus Krio,a Goku helmet, and a _____ of free 5 gum and Magic the gathering cards

October 18 2011

fat_kids_joes wrote:

kingofpain26 wrote:

Fung wa Bus - 15 dollars each way... (hence my facebook post about being in chinatown)

I haven't looked you up on facebook and since I I have no clue about the mass transit system in Boston or New York it wouldn't mean anything to me anyway. I checked greyhound as its the only bus line I thought would go that far.

kingofpain26 wrote:

I really am disappointed in you that you actually LOOKED UP THE BUS PRICES TO TRY TO SEE HOW MUCH I SPENT...

I'm quite dissapointed myself, I thought this would have been resolved months ago. I'm dissapointed that the fair deal we both agreed to has turned in to an open ended loan if I'm lucky and me being out $200 if I'm not.

kingofpain26 wrote:

I1) Before this drama I had impeccable feedback

I'm not comparing you to him, but so did viperlord. And we both know that ended poorly.

kingofpain26 wrote:

2) I have dealt wit people who have also had life altering problems, and seeing as how I would eventually see them at joecon or other cons, I was patient, and they came through

The likleyhood of us ever meeting is slim. Joe con is out of my budget as well as any other event I have to travel more than two hours from my home. As far as being patent, I feel that I have been. I have only been sending messages every month or so, and only then because I had not heard from you.

kingofpain26 wrote:

I said I would give you your money back. and also try to ship out the defiant.. Give me time.. yest its taking a LOT of time.. but time is what I need...

I'd much rather you just shipped the defiant and kept the money. That's what we agreed to and I imagine it would be easier to come up with $50 to ship the defiant than $200 + the $50 to ship.

kingofpain26 wrote:

oh and for the record:

Bus fare = 30 bucks round trip, paid via MY MOTHER WHO BOUGHT MY TICKET
NYCC entry: Free Via Terrordrome Press Pass
FOOD = Bought via FOOD STAMPS
spending money: ZERO I didnt buy a single thing, and the onlyt hing I got for free is a Hasbro Optimus Krio,a Goku helmet, and a _____ of free 5 gum and Magic the gathering cards

Just so you know I don't really care and it's none of my business. But if you can put yourself in my shoes for a moment…
If the roles were reversed and I had been telling you for seven months that I was working on taking care of you, and I started broadcasting that I was going on a trip instead of getting square with you would you have reacted differently?

This was our last communication.

pluv wrote:

Trading Forum section of the site rules wrote:

Be aware that all trades on this board are the responsibility of the traders involved. JoeCustoms.com will be under no liability for any of these dealings. However, if you have shown yourself to be a consistently bad trader and have left a large number of people high and dry, you will likely be banned from the site if you fail to meet your obligations within a deadline set by the site administrator.

The Trader Feedback section has threads created as needed for each member. If leaving any kind of feedback (good or not so good), we ask that you please post it in that person's thread. People can view that person's feedback thread and then decide for themselves whether to deal with them or not.

I don't want to see this happen. Joecustoms is in my opinion the tightest knit group of guys in the community. I would hate to see this fraternity loose a member like this, so I offer the following solution:

If you still have the gantry and the courier will still ship it for $55
A) I will pay the shipping over the phone if they will accept that
B) they can ship it cod and I will pay shipping when it arrives
C) if they are unwilling to do either of the aforementioned options we can try to find a neutral party in the area whom I will send the money to ship the gantry.

I sincerely hope we can work out a solution

John

pluv · **Posted:** Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:41 am

No response to this thread at all. He's banned from JoeCustoms until he makes good on his debts.

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