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Tigerpaw28 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:23 pm

Jay wrote:

Interesting that they restored Snow Job's original biceps (or found existing ones that matched better) rather than just reused the BAT biceps the mold has used since 1997.

It shouldn't have been too difficult considering Snow Job's biceps were reused from Snake Eyes V1 originally. And Snakes V1 has had his proper bicep mold in reuses for as long as Snow Job had the B.A.T. biceps. Not really sure why it took this long to fix that. But it's cool that they did.

J_Man · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:58 pm

It was probably just one of those things where the team that did the Toys R Us exclusive back in the late 90s just didn't pay attention. They may or may not have been fans, but they just did the stuff as a job. It looked close enough or whatever so they went with it. That or at the time the tooling was damaged and they didn't want to put any more money in than they had to.

Now the team there I can say for sure are fans of the product. Those who meet them at the convention will see that. With the extra budget and people paying more attention to details, they probably corrected the arms this time around.

RedClaw · **Joined:** Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:19 am

J_Man wrote:

It was probably just one of those things where the team that did the Toys R Us exclusive back in the late 90s just didn't pay attention. They may or may not have been fans, but they just did the stuff as a job. It looked close enough or whatever so they went with it. That or at the time the tooling was damaged and they didn't want to put any more money in than they had to.

Now the team there I can say for sure are fans of the product. Those who meet them at the convention will see that. With the extra budget and people paying more attention to details, they probably corrected the arms this time around.

Not to drag this into off-topic zone but I got to come in on this statement, Joe.

The 90s guys were SUPER hardcore ARAH fans and they were both giddy with excitement to do the TRU sets and blown away that they had ZERO time to get them together.

See, back then, Kenner in Ohio ran G.I.Joe entirely, but the TRU exclusive Joes were actually put together by a team in Hasbro's Rhode Island offices. But due to their deadline, missing tools and figure molds and issues in China they were horribly disappointed at how the figures and vehicles came out.

These guys had like 90 some odd days to put this all together and get it shipped out to China, with almost NO quality controls in place. China made a lot of judgement calls on how to kit the tooling together and a lot of that 82/83 figure tooling used the same parts for different figures, substitutions were put in place. It was those Joe guys of 2000-2005 who were lazy sods who didn't bother to fix Snake Eyes' waist or Snow Job's arms out of just carelessness.

nova · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:21 pm

Jay wrote:

Interesting that they restored Snow Job's original biceps (or found existing ones that matched better) rather than just reused the BAT biceps the mold has used since 1997.

I'd be willing to bet that this "Snow Job" uses 0 vintage molds....like the comic pack Storm Shadows, Lady Jay's, TRU Blueshirts and other ARAH style figures the tooling is likely all new.

J_Man · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:31 pm

RedClaw wrote:

J_Man wrote:

It was probably just one of those things where the team that did the Toys R Us exclusive back in the late 90s just didn't pay attention. They may or may not have been fans, but they just did the stuff as a job. It looked close enough or whatever so they went with it. That or at the time the tooling was damaged and they didn't want to put any more money in than they had to.

Now the team there I can say for sure are fans of the product. Those who meet them at the convention will see that. With the extra budget and people paying more attention to details, they probably corrected the arms this time around.

Not to drag this into off-topic zone but I got to come in on this statement, Joe.

The 90s guys were SUPER hardcore ARAH fans and they were both giddy with excitement to do the TRU sets and blown away that they had ZERO time to get them together.

See, back then, Kenner in Ohio ran G.I.Joe entirely, but the TRU exclusive Joes were actually put together by a team in Hasbro's Rhode Island offices. But due to their deadline, missing tools and figure molds and issues in China they were horribly disappointed at how the figures and vehicles came out.

These guys had like 90 some odd days to put this all together and get it shipped out to China, with almost NO quality controls in place. China made a lot of judgement calls on how to kit the tooling together and a lot of that 82/83 figure tooling used the same parts for different figures, substitutions were put in place. It was those Joe guys of 2000-2005 who were lazy sods who didn't bother to fix Snake Eyes' waist or Snow Job's arms out of just carelessness.

You do know better on the subject than me when it comes to that stuff. I was just throwing stuff out there. I don't know much about the group that did the Toys R Us stuff, other than Thomas. Of course he's a G.I.Joe fan through and through. I just know it was right in that time frame that the arm switch happened and we ended up with "White Out" eventually with those arms. Beyond that it just carried over and kept going. I guess now the group in there wanted to change it back.

roguetiger · **Posted:** Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:07 pm

I'll get this set...my polar bear's ski's are broken off so I'll take my missiles and put it on this one and I'll have another polar bear and give the other vehicle to Cobra to use. :shifty:

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