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George Lucas - Star Wars 39%  39%  [ 9 ]
Gene Rodenberry - Star Trek 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
Larry Hama - G.I.*JOE 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
Stan Lee - Marvel 39%  39%  [ 9 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:21 am 
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Who created the best universe?

(Yes, I know Stan Lee didn't create everything about the Marvel Universe...just go with it)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:51 am 
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The problem with these questions is that 'best' usually defaults to 'favorite', which just isn't that interesting a question, imho.

So I picked Stan, since I've read all the kinds of stories the others can tell, plus more. Hell, haven't all three of the others pretty-nearly been *part* of the MU at one time? It's bigger and more expansive than the other three combined, imho.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:05 pm 
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I honestly couldn't pick between Lucas and Lee. I greatly enjoy both their work and vision. And their impact on American culture is titanic.

I've never been much a Star Trek fan, so wouldn't vote for him.

I greatly enjoy Larry's characters and stories, but really all he did was create a highly idealized version of our army and make war and jingoism palatable to kids. Not sure that counts as actually creating a universe on par with the other choices.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:02 pm 
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Here's the thing, if we got by any measurable metric, Lucas dominates based on the extent of work his creations spawned and the consistent financial success of those projects. I don't like a lot of the creative choices he made with Star Wars, but I do admire how he generated things like ILM and LucasArts, and SHOVELED his money into philanthropic endeavors including the majority of what he made from selling off Star Wars to Disney, I believe.

Lee and Hama both worked within variations on our universe. I guess Roddenberry did too, but far enough removed in time and concept to really count as "world building."

In my opinion, the odd one out is Hama. LOVE what he did for the toy line and comics, but so little of his efforts trickle into the other mediums Joe has existed in. He designed the personalities, but Hasbro gave him the figure/character designs right?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:24 pm 
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I think this is gonna boil down to another fiercely contested internet debate of the merits and detractors for all.

Each time I think I can pick one, I can think of another reason to pick another.

I vote Dasaffe...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:48 pm 
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Dan, SW is as much a variant of our universe as the others. Jedi teachings = Buddhism, Yoda = Lao Tsu, Tusken Raiders = Arabic nomads, Han and Chewie = BJ and Bear, Neimoidians = Chinese/Mongol warlords, Imperium = Nazis, etc, etc, etc...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:59 pm 
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This is really a tough choice.

While I love Stan Lee and the Marvel Universe, I can't help but feel like they didn't really create their universe. Basically it's our universe, populated by us regular humans, and they just created the super powered citizens to fill in the cracks. They did expand it by adding Negative Zones and other planets and galaxies and such, but the core universe already existed.

Exactly the same with Star Trek. Love Star Trek, but it's the same thing. They took our already existing universe, futurized it, and added on to it.

GI Joe is more of the same.

Star Wars while being inspired by things in our universe, is completely 100% made up.

The thing is, nothing says that the 100% completely made up universe is "better" than the other extentions of our universe.

Like I said, it's a tough one. I'm going to have to think a lot more about it, and my definitions of "better".
Is "better" merely my favorite (which is still extremely tough to nail down) or is there more to it than that.

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Dan, SW is as much a variant of our universe as the others. Jedi teachings = Buddhism, Yoda = Lao Tsu, Tusken Raiders = Arabic nomads, Han and Chewie = BJ and Bear, Neimoidians = Chinese/Mongol warlords, Imperium = Nazis, etc, etc, etc...
Inspired by, yes. Very true.
But the others use our actual universe as their basis. Star Wars just uses some ideas, and makes it's own universe out of them. I think that may be the difference.

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I vote Gerry Anderson.
The Marionation universe is just great. 60's feeling with super modern technology.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:31 pm 
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I voted Lucas because like has been said, while it has ideas from real life, it is completely independent of the real world, although that may not mean its the "best" for everyone, just the most original. I think the technology and planetary systems and varied peoples/life forms puts it over the top for me.

I would also like to give an honorable mention to Middle Earth. I think Tolkien did a pretty good job there.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:35 pm 
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Really difficult. I had to go Marvel in the end.

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Rob, Jim, Jim, Erik, Wilce, Marc, and Todd for Image didn't make the list?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:05 pm 
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lol, Image.

if anything they should make it to a list of borrowed ideas, failed concepts and gimmicky nonsense.

btw, I voted for Hamma, not because I think the Joe Universe is all that great but because out of these creators he had the most control and direct influence over his creation. The more you look into Stan Lees myth the more you see a string of artists and writers that did the bulk of the work, if you want to see what Lucas comes up with on his own with no influences other than the stuff he is aping check out the prequels... Roddenberrys trek universe has never come close to being a universe I would even remotely want to live in or be a part of. So for me Hamma wins by default.

Now If you included J.K. Rowling, C.S Lewis, Isaac Asimov, Terry Pratchett, J.R.R Tolkien, Edgar Rice Burroughs, R.R. Martin, Masashi Kishimoto, Satoshi Tajiri then this would be a harder choice for me...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:18 pm 
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I'm voting Hama as well....mostly because his is the only comics I buy. Marvel not into much, Star Trek or Star Wars the same...

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Stan was definitely the driving force, but he didn't do it alone.

I'd say even though l love Star Wars more..Trek aspired to show the best face of humanity going forward and there is something very noble about that.

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Interesting replies, also didn't know the vocabulary was that big here on the mighty JC. :-)

I should have added Tolkien.

Like I said, I know Stan Lee didn't create all those characters, I just used his name because all the titles in their intro dialogue read "Stan Lee presents:" as if to imply he came up with them. Not really the discussion here, /i just thought it was the easiest way to include the Marvel Universe, though I guess I should have included DC , but I'm not aware if DC has a Stan Lee.

I like Star Trek. But, to me, the universe can only exist if World Peace has taken over Earth. I just don't see that as possible. I'm not overly familiar with what Earth is like in the ST universe, if there are still wars and the like, but the outward appearance is that the Earth is one big happy family. I like the idea of following the flagship vessel of the Federation going places no man has gone before, but at the same time, it's hard to see what the universe is like from the point of view of the top (and crew) of the top ship.

One thing I've always liked about Marvel over DC is that it takes place in our world. Spiderman swings through New York, not Metropolis, they visit Chicago, not Gotham. This, to me, make the MU more relateable. There are plenty of humans in the MU, Punisher, Tony Stark, Nick Fury, they rely on their skill and/or reinforcement of their human body. There are mutants like the X-men, who have abilities that they have from being different than humans. There are the folks who were human, but were given "powers" like Spiderman and the Fan Four through some strange event in their life. There are also aliens and characters from other dimensions. But these characters all exist in out world. AS I understand it, Superman was created by a person who had a dream after seeing his mom get mugged. In his dream, he became a man with super-human strength and was able to protect his mom. These "superheroes" all a reflection of who we want to be and what we can be, they are also a great escape from reality some sometimes.

For the most part, Larry Hama was handed a figure or a basic description or a drawing and from that he was able to come up with personalities and whole back stories regarding the character. He tapped into his own military experience and thought about the men he had known so the Joe-verse could have some basis in reality. He wrote a continuing story based on these characters. Like the MU, the Joe-verse is based in our own world, but the heroes are human with no superhuman qualities (SE and SS not withstanding). We could have just ended up with a bunch of boring figures and characters, like the 21st or bbi figures, but he gave the world some heart. Not only did he make these great military heroes, he made what could be considered one of the best groups of bad guys ever created. Cobra is not some generic bad guy, they, like the Joes, are full of people with various personalities and their own intricate back stories. As big a part of the Joe-verse that Snake Eyes is, I've always felt that the Joe-verse revolved around Cobra Commander, like the way the SW universe revolves around Anikan/Vader, Snake Eyes just became popular and his story nicely intertwines with CC's.

Much as most older fans cringe at the Prequel trilogy, they, combined with the Original Trilogy make for one heckuva story. Like I said above, with a story that follows the tale of a child, then teenager and adult who turns to evil then his redemption. It's a great tale. Putting that aside though, take a look at the way the galaxy far, far away was shown. Coruscant is this big, modern world, the hub of the galaxy, where everything happens, then there's Tatooine, a backwater, hick "planet." Naboo, a lovely world that is cool, calm and clean. Kamino and Geonosis, industrial worlds. Whule it might be odd to find a planet that has only one kind of topographical feature, these world represent different cities you might find in the States. And the people fit their surroundings. Then there's the "tech." The beautiful, pristine Royal Yacht that Queen Amidala cruises around in. The small, sleek fighters the Jedi use. The walking machines the Clone Troopers use in their battle. Then the Emperor takes over and things are groovy at first, but then the universe starts to go to pot. George Lucas mentioned on many occasions that he wanted the SW universe to look used. And it does. The Falcon, while a cool ship, is kinda run down. Luke's land speeder is the type of car a teenager would have. Something to cruise around in, but needs work. Then there's the Jedi. Someone compared them to a religion, not to mention they are referred to a religion. I tend to think of them as people with finely tuned powers of ESP, psychic, psyonic or telekinetic powers. The whole universe is something different than, yet very similar to what we know in our own world.\

So which is my favorite? Hard to say, I like them all, but it's a toss up between SW and G.I.*JOE. And I'd say probably Star Wars, the universe is just to unique over the others and the possibilities are really endless as to where it could have and can still go. While I'm sure there are parts of the Joe-verse Mr. Hama had no control over, as I understand it, he was no fan of Serpentor, there was only so much he could do with it and going outside that realm would just seem too odd (Lunamatrix Empire anyone? Cobra-La?) and out of place with where the story started. Heck, I like SE and SS, but the ninja thing got a bit out of hand...

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